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Single Setup for 1mph to 20mph G to 25mph riding for many hours for Max Mileage -Myth or Reality ?!

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Created by mareks360 > 9 months ago, 1 Mar 2021
mareks360
119 posts
1 Mar 2021 3:10AM
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Those who know me on "NW Windtalk", there is no need for introduction. I have been windsurfing recreationally for 40+ years (Europe, Australia, USA) and "got into foiling" about 2 years ago.
In last 2 years I have spend $1000s of USD on brand new foiling gear including Exocet RF 91, Slingshot Flyer 280, several Slingshot foils (i76,i84,i99), SB Race M1000 & 800, 115++ Fuse (3 foil masts for each SB & SS) etc., etc.
I have also learned & realized that there is a Ton of Foil Industry BS, deceptive videos to promote hydrofoils, even BS about Slingshot Flyer 280: "In the lightest puff of wind on a mountain lake .".
Part of my struggle was also the notion that "Heavy Dudes" like myself (at 225LB / 100+kg) supposed to be screwed in light winds (1mph to 12mph wind), also Foil industry only focusing on lightweight sailors, including 50% discount only on smaller boards (e.g. Windance - Hood River)
You can find hundreds of post on "NW Windtalk" searching the forum by my user ID:

I put so much time in my Research, Testing and Posting it all there:
groups.io/g/nw-windtalk/search?q=posterid:1834200

Pick whatever topic you like from me experimenting from "bi-plane" (using 2 i76 & i84 SS foils) both in Windfoiling and Electric Foil Convert configurations to Orbital Science vs Windfoiling, Graphs, Analysis, Pictures etc., etc.

Getting to the point:
After all of this last 2 years struggle, I finally figured out what works best in 1mph to 20G25 mph wind for me for maximum mileage and using single gear set. Yes, same sail from 1mph to gusting to 25mph.


The biggest surprises you will learn:

1) My "pure foil boards" sit dry at home while the most efficient board for BAF (Back & Forth - broad to close reaches sailing) is 2003 Starboard Go 180L board.

2)My "pure foil boards" sit dry at home while the most efficient board for UP/Down is 2012 Starboard Formula 167L board

3) After experimenting even with bi-plane (SS i76+i84) at 3600cm2 I came to realization that it is not about max lift that can keep me going, it is about highest hydrofoil efficiency with SB Race Foils that can get me there.

4) Whether I wind foiled with Slingshot Flyer 280 using SS Foils "Shovels" or other boards like Exocet RF91 I was going the same speed "Pure Foiling" as "Foil Assisted Planing", the same I found out using SB Race foils. It is because while "foil assisted planing" I hang out in the harness more on long lines and transfer a lot of my weight through the sail mast base. I am driving the board more forward by this commitment rather than "pure foiling", being up right, using shorter harness lines.

5) I found a single sail (out of my 24 windsurf/windfoil collection I have), with a specific mast (outside of the manufacturer recommendation), tuned the way nobody can believe how it can be working with minimum outhaul and minimum downhaul and I ride the 25mph gusts without being driven into the water by "Being wrestled by Angry Bear" and it is 10.8m sail !


You want to see the proof? Here are two videos and also my detailed posts on NW Windtalk with Graphs, Pictures, the Analysis:


"Taken FOR a Ride" vs "Taken ON a Ride" along with a "Teddy Bear" - Lk Wa Coulon 2/19/21 41+miles - Count Your Whitecaps ;)
groups.io/g/nw-windtalk/topic/taken_for_a_ride_vs_taken/80915037

"Windfoiling the Alternative Way in particular for "Heavy Dudes" for Max Distance & Speed in 1-20MPH":



Downhaul & Outhaul adjustment to control Power & Stability of your Windsurfing / Windfoiling Sail - do you want to "wrestle a bear" and WIN !
groups.io/g/nw-windtalk/topic/downhaul_outhaul_adjustment/80877714

"2/23/21 Hail & Rain Patrol - Coulon Lk Wa - "Wrestling Angry Bear" - Bear Wins - too much downhaul "



My last Report (Feb 26th 2021): 44 miles in 6 hours while for many Windfoilers that day was not even worth it to rig a sail so many stayed on the shore or at home.

My feedback & Report (part 1) ?:
groups.io/g/nw-windtalk/message/71467

Latest analysis for Wind Speed vs my GPS Watch Speed is here with graphs and analysis: (part 2)
groups.io/g/nw-windtalk/message/71481

BTW: It is still Winter (Seattle, WA USA) and over January & February roughly going twice a week I have already raked 343 miles on Lake Washington. If I continue with this trajectory, I will rake 2000+ miles in one year, just on Lake Washington.

Not bad for "Heavy Dude" that suppose to be screwed in Light Winds.

LeeD
3939 posts
1 Mar 2021 5:46AM
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I'm sure you were one of those windsurfers who had ONE sail, around 6.0, for all conditions.

mareks360
119 posts
1 Mar 2021 6:26AM
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LeeD said..
I'm sure you were one of those windsurfers who had ONE sail, around 6.0, for all conditions.


Well, when I started windsurfing, there was only one sail and what I remember it was either 6.0m or 6.3m.
Here is a picture of me from year 1980 from what I remember, Polish Great Lakes "Mazury".

Yes, I know many people are sick of seeing me in Speedos. BUT that is one common theme that continues through whole my life and unless someone jurisdictions "ban Speedos" I am going to use them as long as they still stay on my hips




musorianin
QLD, 572 posts
1 Mar 2021 10:39PM
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Looks like you need more "downhaul" there

powersloshin
NSW, 1654 posts
2 Mar 2021 7:01AM
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and try to point your front foot forward, you still have the bad habit now, it might increase your wind range to 30 mph.

Sandman1221
2776 posts
3 Mar 2021 11:24AM
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I found my Goya Bolt 135 to be a perfect windfoil board, and like you, in light winds I step forward to level the board out and keep the tail from sinking/dragging while getting enough speed to get up. Now I have no plans on getting a foil board because I see how the Bolt glides through the chop or waves to get enough speed to get up, a short blunt nose foil board would just keep smacking the chop and waves, also having a longer board at 243 cm allows me to save so many near crashes and also drop in and surf waves and swell for fun or to use the swell to get enough speed to get up in light winds. And at 16 pounds the Bolt is light! Also tacking is easy, not something you could say about a foil board.

thedoor
2191 posts
3 Mar 2021 11:45AM
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More speedo footage please

mareks360
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3 Mar 2021 11:26PM
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Sandman1221 said..
I found my Goya Bolt 135 to be a perfect windfoil board, and like you, in light winds I step forward to level the board out and keep the tail from sinking/dragging while getting enough speed to get up. Now I have no plans on getting a foil board because I see how the Bolt glides through the chop or waves to get enough speed to get up, a short blunt nose foil board would just keep smacking the chop and waves, also having a longer board at 243 cm allows me to save so many near crashes and also drop in and surf waves and swell for fun or to use the swell to get enough speed to get up in light winds. And at 16 pounds the Bolt is light! Also tacking is easy, not something you could say about a foil board.


Thank You SandMan1221 !
I am so glad that "I am not a unicorn" and there are more people who realize that there are more diverse ways to use hydrofoil then just one and enjoy happily TOW (Time on Water) in particular for "Heavy Dudes" while others have a grumpy TOS (Time on Shore) and complain that there is not enough wind.

Mark _australia
WA, 22090 posts
3 Mar 2021 11:48PM
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I can't watch 2hrs.

What foil size for your weight in very light winds?

duzzi
991 posts
4 Mar 2021 12:34AM
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Volume and sail size. At my 72Kg weight the largest sail I can manage in (real) 25 knots is a 6.0. Call it 6.5 after a double burrito lunch give me a Futura 71 and I should be able to sail in 1 to 20.

I am not really sure I understand what you are doing with the foil? How do you set it up for "foil assisted planing"?

mareks360
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4 Mar 2021 1:03AM
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and try to point your front foot forward, you still have the bad habit now, it might increase your wind range to 30 mph.


Hi powersloshin,

Well, looks can be deceptive and sometimes there is a perfect explanation for anything you see and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it.
Sorry I am not all the time on WWW because I actually spend more time on LWW (Lake Washington Water) having great TOW.You can see it in my last report:
groups.io/g/nw-windtalk/topic/80991931

What will astonish many Windsurfers/Windfoilers that my single setup for 5-20mph G25mph can be still efficient at the low end of wind ~5mph where my average board speed is in ~4mph (fully displacement / buoyancy mode) without centerboard / daggerboard, AND I am cranking still decent upwind angles (and I am 225LB /102kg in gear). Check that link above.

Getting back to powersloshin comment:

What is the function of front foot being angled forward ?

From my perspective:

1) so the sailor can brace himself and do not get pulled forward in gust and prevent him/her from what we commonly call "face planting".

2) it is part of a "right posture" to look what is ahead "like Mr. Riding with Cookie" promotes - When a person is up right and does not transfer a lot of his/her weight via harness lines.

3) Pure Ergonomics - If you ride in specific setup, like myself, for ~7 hours continuously (check the link above), it feels comfortable and you do not get any soreness afterwards and you do not take even any single fall or drop the sail - that means you are doing it right. I have the same effect riding in 10-20mphG25mph winds as in the videos.


Secrets that may not be visible in my videos and requires additional explanation:

1) I am using purposefully the extreme configuration of Starboard Race foil.
Fuselage is called 115++ (or plus plus). That puts front wing much much further than regular 115 and much further that 115+ (single plus).
More details from Starboard:
starboardfoils.com/pages/2021-raceplus

Full Disclosure: I do not have any business relation with any Windsurf/Windfoil Manufacturers nor any Shops/Retailers. I do not get any discounts. My opinions are based purely on my analysis and my gear performance that I purchased at full prices.

2) I am not adjusting my harness lines neither by position (forward-backward) nor in their length (up down)
So how is it possible I can ride efficiently like this ?
a) I am holding to my uphaul line with my front hand instead of the boom when riding close reach /beating courses (like some Racers do)
b) my harness lines are perfectly balanced for beam reach
c) I am using second set of shorter harness lines for "pure foiling" and when i want to be more up right (see the videos)
d) I have a right sail and perfectly tuned for my wind range from 1mph to 20mphG25

3) My front foot does not transfer much weight to the board
How is it possible ?
Well, the way I ride, I do transfer major part of my weight through back foot (some call it heavy backfooted) BUT at the same time I am transferring a lot of my weight through my harness lines (through sail mast base pressure), therefore my front foot I can move around without creating much pressure.
What my style of riding does, it really allows me to avoid catapults or faceplanting because my back foot is "anchored" in the back footstrap.
Do you want a Real Proof that I transfer A Lot of my Weight through the harness lines ?
Here is the picture of the thickest harness lines on the market by Chinook being ripped / torn by me, just by riding hard in the harness lines.
That is a combination of "Heavy Dude", riding large sails in stronger winds:
BTW: The plastic tubes were replaced many times, that is why they look still good here.



Summary:
Now when you take into account that I am using 10.8m sail, extreme forward front wing with long 115++ foil fuselage , my fixed harness lines, also that I am transferring so much weight through harness lines, it comes down to pure Ergonomics.

Last but not Least:
I'd rather Have Fun Windsurfing / Windfoiling focusing on Practical Matters than focus on Pageantry and "Looks".
Here is another example:
My HPL Carbon boom (in the videos as well) looks ugly because I fixed all the foam cavities / damages with just regular aqua-seal that has the same softness.
If I give my boom to a blind person, he or she would say: "what a nice job, such a smooth surface with the same sponginess / softness everywhere". My hands are calluses free and I ride many hours at a time. That all that matters to me.



mareks360
119 posts
4 Mar 2021 1:09AM
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Mark _australia said..
I can't watch 2hrs.

What foil size for your weight in very light winds?


Mark_australia

The details you can find in actual reports: links provided in the original posting.
Your specific question answered:
My "regular setup": Gear: 10.8m Loft, O2 Sail, SB Go 180L, SB Race Foil M1000/115++/225(-2) shim -0.5

mareks360
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4 Mar 2021 1:38AM
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Volume and sail size. At my 72Kg weight the largest sail I can manage in (real) 25 knots is a 6.0. Call it 6.5 after a double burrito lunch give me a Futura 71 and I should be able to sail in 1 to 20.

I am not really sure I understand what you are doing with the foil? How do you set it up for "foil assisted planing"?


First part:

Please have a look at my posting at NW Windtalk that explains how you could use indexing your weight to sail size ratio to match what Darius & I are doing in what we call "Lawn Mower Riders Style" or "Mileage Collector Style" or "Roamer" or "the Explorer".
Ratios, Multipliers & Science - More Analysis for Geeks - Re: Monday 12/28/20 - light N wind & Sun patrol
groups.io/g/nw-windtalk/topic/79300663

Second thing: Try to find a sail that is a wide wind range sail: either has sufficient leech twist and/or lose leech to drive you forward in the gust rather than give you "angry bear effect twist" as explained: it made ALL the difference between 2 videos I provided (1h - 4 falls mid to max downhaul vs 5h37min no falls with min downhaul).
Check also the analysis in the links from original posting.


Second part:

I am answering your question how different shims can make my configuration work exactly how I want:

1) "stable foil assisted planing" - that requires me to put both foot in the footstraps (shift the weight back), use shorter harness lines (be more upright - less sail mast base preasure), then nudge the board (foot pump) to go from "foil assisted planing" into "pure foiling". Otherwise the board never gets the "elevator effect" like "shovels" do.

2) "eager foil assisted planing" - with different shim - here is where I need to keep some attention and make sure I have enough pressure either in front foot or the harness lines (transfer to mast base pressure)More details on specific shim configuration in the following link and what they do:

groups.io/g/nw-windtalk/message/71458

mareks360
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4 Mar 2021 1:47AM
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thedoor said..
More speedo footage please


thedoor,
I guess for now you can set my video on autorepeat from may earlier posting:
Windsurfers/Windfoilers Emergency and Swimmers going out Considerations in Cold Air & Cold Water
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/General/Windsurfers-Windfoilers-Emergency-and-Swimmers-going-out-Considerations-in-Cold-Air-Cold-Water#2655262

If that is not enough and you want to see my speedos (and bonus suntan) from 30 years ago then I posted it before on NW Windtalk

groups.io/g/nw-windtalk/message/70986

Enjoy !

joe windsurf
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4 Mar 2021 3:32AM
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i too am a heavyweight @ around 100 kilos depending on the time of day/year lol :-)
unfortunately i have not had the opportunity to try foiling ...
on the other hand, I have tried longboards, freerides, wide freerides and shortboards
narrow and longer seems to work best for me i.e. Mistral Equipe 2 XR
20 kph is my wind minimum
and about 50 kph max on the same sail
if I know winds stay low, I can go with a ten meter 2 camber freerace sail
if the winds will fluctuate with planing potential eight meter freeride sail HSM SPF 8.5
however, i do need to add an adjustable outhaul
here's 12 - 20 knots ...

mareks360
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4 Mar 2021 5:13AM
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joe windsurf said..
i too am a heavyweight @ around 100 kilos depending on the time of day/year lol :-)
unfortunately i have not had the opportunity to try foiling ...
on the other hand, I have tried longboards, freerides, wide freerides and shortboards
narrow and longer seems to work best for me i.e. Mistral Equipe 2 XR
20 kph is my wind minimum
and about 50 kph max on the same sail
if I know winds stay low, I can go with a ten meter 2 camber freerace sail
if the winds will fluctuate with planing potential eight meter freeride sail HSM SPF 8.5
however, i do need to add an adjustable outhaul
here's 12 - 20 knots ...


Joe Windsurf,

If you had a chance to looked deeper at my story, you would realize that that you and a lot of Windsurfers/Windfoilers even lightweight miss tremendous opportunity to do Decent Speeds & Decent Mileage (or Kilometers)

due to the following breakthroughs Nobody Talks About:

1) Longboards/narrow boards (both fin boards and foil boards) slice/pierce the waves/chop like a snow plow - plows the snow (I mean this shape ">")
I have been riding longboards for 40 years last two years I rode both "pure foil boards" (ExocetRF91 & Slingshot Flyer 280).
Slingshot Flyer 280 is sort of a long board with a SS i84 hydrofoil. Our local Champ, Darius, was doing twice the mileage, twice the speeds of mine. Well, I was using much bigger sails, he is 162LB (73kg) so 55LB (23kg) lighter. Now with when I am on SB Go 180L board and pretty much the same SB Race Foil as Darius I am only less than 50% behind him in light winds (foil assisted plaining), actually I am able to catch up with him while he is slogging because he is using SB Formula Foil Board.
This in the past would be unimaginable !
The major breakthrough realized since late 1990s beginning of 2000s was introduction of Go & Formula boards (100cm wide) that by their Revolutionary (at the time) Design were "sliding on top of the water" rather than "plowing /piercing waves/chop though" like long boards/narrow board used to.

2) Adding Race / Highly Efficient Hydrofoil to SB Go Board puts the Board "on steroids"
Please check the wind graphs and my GPS watch graphs then you realize that with 7mph wind I can start getting board up to 5mph board speed and then I pop to "foil assisted plaining" into 12-14mph board speed range while other much lighter sailors sit on the shore and wait for whitecaps to appear or do not go out at all while I still do 44+ miles in the same day having plenty of "foil assisted plaining rides".
Please Check the following report what I Report and what others say:

"2/26/21 Friday TOW Lk Wa"
Whole topic chain:
groups.io/g/nw-windtalk/topic/80922214

Here is my Amazing day report with 44 miles while many never even went on the water due to lack of wind:
groups.io/g/nw-windtalk/message/71467

Here is the alignment of wind speed & my GPS speed with my additional commentary and analysis:
groups.io/g/nw-windtalk/message/71481

Please also look at my videos in context of additional reports (links were provided), wind graphs, my GPS speeds etc.

Sure when wind drops only to 5mph I will sail in displacement mode with 4mph average board speed and complete Winduro Race with long upwind leg without centerboard/duggerboard sailing 27+ miles in 6h50m.
When wind drops (as at the beginning) to 2mph I still cruise with 1.5mph speed (that is an estimate) as I had complete mirror flat water without even any wrinkles indicating any wind movement.

For this wind range, check this report:
"3/1/21 Monday TOW Lk Wa - Meteorological Spring Starts"
groups.io/g/nw-windtalk/topic/80991931

If you ever wonder what I have been working on for days with 0 to 3mph wind?
I also have many solutions and alternatives for that:

Electric & None Electric Options for Windfoil Expansion for "No Wind" + is skiing/skating really on ice ? - also Spin out of: "Something Different"
groups.io/g/nw-windtalk/topic/electric_none_electric/81061427

Obviously if you have Unlimited Time and that is still not enough to read, you can find about 500+ posts I have made on NW Windtalk:
groups.io/g/nw-windtalk/search?q=posterid:1834200

Mark _australia
WA, 22090 posts
4 Mar 2021 10:38PM
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I'm pondering foiling but if I need a 10.8 in light winds I'm not interested.
As a heavy guy, with a large freeride and biggest commonly avail foil (2000cm2 ish??) what is the smallest sail to FOIL. Seems you're talking about being usable in no wind, I want to know about easy / comfy foiling not dogging around also.

mareks360
119 posts
4 Mar 2021 11:55PM
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Mark _australia said..
I'm pondering foiling but if I need a 10.8 in light winds I'm not interested.
As a heavy guy, with a large freeride and biggest commonly avail foil (2000cm2 ish??) what is the smallest sail to FOIL. Seems you're talking about being usable in no wind, I want to know about easy / comfy foiling not dogging around also.



Mark_australia,

If your goal is to cover max distance and achieve max speeds in winds from 1mph to 15mph and start "foil assisted planing" from 5mph board speed in winds as little as 6-7mph (depending on your weight) - going with large low or even mid aspect foil, large surface is going in the wrong direction.
I have done that building my two configuration in bi-plane mode with two SS hydrofoils (i84 + i76 at total 3600cm2 surface) on top of each other either with my custom adopter (short) or using SS Taxi mast between (long) spacing.
Check my reports, wind speeds, my GPS speeds both in "e-foil convert" and "windfoil" tests.

This is one of the biggest misconceptions nobody talks about.

What is performance of using 2 hydrofoils in Windfoiling in so called "bi-plane mode" ?
groups.io/g/nw-windtalk/topic/76009270

WWII Sinking the battleship Bismarck - Inspired by British Torpedo Bombers - What does it have to do with Slingshot Hydrofoil ?
groups.io/g/nw-windtalk/topic/34412719

What is the Conclusion & the Analogy:

WWII Bomber will need a lot of "fuel" (read "wind power" form "the propeler") to compensate for drag its wings are creating (even without bomb load) to fly slow while glider with extremely high efficiency wings (high aspect) will gain speed and glide with a fraction of "fuel" (read potential energy converted into kinetic energy).

As a drag is more less proportional with the cube of speed (in buoyancy/displacement sailing) while the lift is proportional only to the square of speed - the answer is in gaining max speed at min cost (with your "constant" sail wind power) to move from buoyancy/displacement sailing into "foil assisted planing".

Second biggest misconception is that People compare Race Foils (high efficiency) with lift of big "Shovels" and come to conclusion:
"O but I can take off on a "big shovel" with 5-7mph board speed, while on race foil I need 10mph board speed!"

Well, look at my GPS graphs, I can start "foil assisted planing" at 5mph board speed, BUT I only need 6-7mph wind while when I put on "big shovels" I needs 12mph wind !

Again, I have no association with either any Windfoil Brand nor any Retail Stores, I get my gear at full prices therefore my opinions are based purely on my research and experience with my gear.

For me the Eureka Moment was watching one of the YouTube video by Starboard Representative Tiesda You talking about the difference between Race Foils and e.g. Ocean Surf Foils from Starboard.
Race Foils go through planing first then into "pure foiling" - best for Traditional Windsurfers that love their existing styles, hiked out, mast base pressure weight transfer with larger sails while "shovels" are for up right smaller sails, less speed and they do go directly into "pure foiling".
Now: Can you Read Between the Lines ?!
What does Tiesda You say promoting the Super Cruiser?
He says that the earliest take off (comparing "pure foiling" take off to "pure foiling" take off) you can get with Race foils is about 6knots (7mph) and now promoting the Super Cruiser (which I call pretty efficient "shovel") also 6knots (7mph) with Super Cruiser with smaller sail.
What you can read between the lines: But Race Foils start "foil assisted planing" in much less wind before they go to "pure foiling". You either need even more wind or extra pumping by the sailor to move from "foil assisted planing" into "pure foiling" !

Here is my statement:
Therefore you can start "foil assisted planing" with race foils as early as 4knots (5mph) or for "Heavy Dude" like myself with "the right gear" at 5-6knots (6-7mph) and I am talking about Wind Speed (not the board speed)!



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I am not forcing anyone to change your style. I am only "opening another door" for people to have a choice instead of whining on the shore "there is no wind" while scratching their heads: how is it possible for this "heavy dude" (225LB/102kg in gear) to do 20 to 60 miles when "there is no wind".

The choice is Yours, as I often quote: "You and only You are a Captain of Your Ship".

Gestalt
QLD, 14123 posts
5 Mar 2021 7:49AM
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There has always been solutions you just gotta pick your poison.

Longboards, wave sups, long waveboards and now foils...

Which is easier, cheaper and lots of fun is up toctje individual. For me foiling is last and costs 4 times the other 3.

Why not just go surfing or ride a mountain or build your own board, so many options exist.

Grantmac
1953 posts
5 Mar 2021 7:00AM
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Mark _australia said..
I'm pondering foiling but if I need a 10.8 in light winds I'm not interested.
As a heavy guy, with a large freeride and biggest commonly avail foil (2000cm2 ish??) what is the smallest sail to FOIL. Seems you're talking about being usable in no wind, I want to know about easy / comfy foiling not dogging around also.


Unless you wish to measure success solely by GPS, are stuck with sub-10kt winds and have no desire to pump then no; you don't need a sail anywhere near that big.
Indeed if you want to measure success by gybes flown, swells carved and skills progressed then going much above 6.5m is a net negative.

Chris 249
NSW, 3218 posts
5 Mar 2021 3:05PM
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Surely you can progress your skills just as much with a big sail as with a small sail? The Formula guys hanging onto 11.5s seemed to be pretty skilled to me.

mareks360
119 posts
5 Mar 2021 10:59PM
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Grantmac said..

Mark _australia said..
I'm pondering foiling but if I need a 10.8 in light winds I'm not interested.
As a heavy guy, with a large freeride and biggest commonly avail foil (2000cm2 ish??) what is the smallest sail to FOIL. Seems you're talking about being usable in no wind, I want to know about easy / comfy foiling not dogging around also.



Unless you wish to measure success solely by GPS, are stuck with sub-10kt winds and have no desire to pump then no; you don't need a sail anywhere near that big.
Indeed if you want to measure success by gybes flown, swells carved and skills progressed then going much above 6.5m is a net negative.


Hey Grant,
10mph wind that is so much wind !
How about 0-1mph wind ? That is a real pumping exercise.
Welcome to Lake Washington Sailing in Seattle !
I am sure you will be glad to know that I am developing serious pumping skills.
Guess what, 10.8m sail is the best for pumping in such conditions !

More details in the report:
Sorry if I offended any Koala Bears in my report, BUT the analogy to our Seattle Meteorologists & their smiles (while my mule aren't laughing) was irresistible.

At least no animals were harmed in the report

"3/4/21 Thursday TOW Lk Wa - Pumpduro instead of Winduro - "almost" completed "

groups.io/g/nw-windtalk/topic/3_4_21_thursday_tow_lk_wa/81103878






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