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Wind 14kts with gust to 28kts

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Created by montoya 8 months ago, 22 Feb 2019
montoya
VIC, 18 posts
22 Feb 2019 11:03AM
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Hi all. Wind forecast this afternoon in victoria port phillip bay (altona) is 14kts with gust up to 28kts. I was planning to go out. What are your thoughts on this variance? Is that ok or unsafe/ too much. In particular for a noob or someone with just a few years experience?

cauncy
WA, 7595 posts
22 Feb 2019 9:26AM
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Three letter rule

HBF

ice
VIC, 215 posts
22 Feb 2019 1:01PM
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no sure where you got that forecast

today's wind speed should be fine for beginners at altona, albeit direct on shore

Per BOM

Southeasterly about 10 knots tending southerly 15 to 20 knots during the afternoon, then decreasing to 10 to 15 knots during the evening.

montoya
VIC, 18 posts
22 Feb 2019 10:48PM
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Ice - I use windy.com for wind forecast these days. I like the graphic and details.

Cauncy - why do I feel like I'm walking straight into an ambush.... what is hbf? I checked out urban dict and wasn't sure which definition to apply ??

psychojoe
WA, 518 posts
23 Feb 2019 6:20AM
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Health Benefits Fund.

ice
VIC, 215 posts
23 Feb 2019 9:59AM
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montoya said..
Ice - I use windy.com for wind forecast these days. I like the graphic and details.


I find the BOM bay forecast very accurate for the current day. Just remember seabreezes are a few knots stronger at the northern end of the bay (St Kilda to Altona).

Plummet
4591 posts
24 Feb 2019 6:36AM
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If you have to ask the answer is no.

14-28 is difficult because it spans several kite sizes.

They key with kiting in gusts is using a kite that can withstand the biggest gust for the day.
28knots is 8m territory. However 8m suck balls in 14 knots.
A very experienced guy will be able to withstand a 10m in 28 knot gust but this is not recommended for a learner.

So.... sit this one out and wait for a less gusty day.

Another option is to run a big board that will handle the lulls and the 8m kite that will handle the gusts. Big board In 28 knots will be a handful. but yourl be safer than overpowered on a 10m kite.

Alternatively. Hydrofoil can run a wider range of power once experienced.
4m on a hydrofoil is interesting indeed 14-28 knots

THE PIN PULLER
WA, 321 posts
25 Feb 2019 6:32AM
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Always ring for the Luls

theDoctor
NSW, 4868 posts
25 Feb 2019 10:24AM
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But, who do you call. .?

quikdrawMcgraw
1221 posts
25 Feb 2019 12:48PM
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I just had a sesh that had about the same wind range your describing because it frontal squall crap left over from cyclone oma...I lasted about 20 - 30 mins of feeling very uncomfortable hoping the squal would pass and die off a bit, but it just seemed to get stronger the kite was as moody as a bloody rattle snake so I came to the beach and pulled the safety and got the f out of there.

THE PIN PULLER
WA, 321 posts
26 Feb 2019 1:03AM
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Lol anyone should know I meant Rig for the Luls :-)

Plummet
4591 posts
27 Feb 2019 12:56AM
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THE PIN PULLER said..
Lol anyone should know I meant Rig for the Luls :-)


If you rig for the lull and stuff up in the gust you die. It's that simple.

Most deaths are caused by people doing exactly this. Its stupid advice to give newbies even if its a joke.
Somebody could believe you, rig a 17m for the 14knot lull then proceed to get killed when the 28 gust comes through.

Don't be a dick man.
Think about the joking advice you give in the newbie section

raggedflyer
WA, 48 posts
27 Feb 2019 9:18PM
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Plummet said:
If you rig for the lull and stuff up in the gust you die. It's that simple.

Most deaths are caused by people doing exactly this. Its stupid advice to give newbies even if its a joke.
Somebody could believe you, rig a 17m for the 14knot lull then proceed to get killed when the 28 gust comes through.

Don't be a dick man.
Think about the joking advice you give in the newbie section



Constructive criticism has it's place, this however is simply offensive and the doomsayer approach is not constructive, bordering on ridiculous.

Rig for the lull is a reasonable strategy, provided you understand the limitations of your equipment and your capability. A 12m kite may get you back to shore in 14kt and fully depowered in 28kt, also allowing you to get back to shore. Safely.

The advice I have for a beginner is, any average to gust wind speed range which has a 10kt delta should be approached with caution and with experienced buddies. More than 10kt delta, sit it out and take a few photos of your buddies, bide you time and build experience.

Plummet
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28 Feb 2019 12:55AM
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raggedflyer said..

Plummet said:
If you rig for the lull and stuff up in the gust you die. It's that simple.

Most deaths are caused by people doing exactly this. Its stupid advice to give newbies even if its a joke.
Somebody could believe you, rig a 17m for the 14knot lull then proceed to get killed when the 28 gust comes through.

Don't be a dick man.
Think about the joking advice you give in the newbie section




Constructive criticism has it's place, this however is simply offensive and the doomsayer approach is not constructive, bordering on ridiculous.

Rig for the lull is a reasonable strategy, provided you understand the limitations of your equipment and your capability. A 12m kite may get you back to shore in 14kt and fully depowered in 28kt, also allowing you to get back to shore. Safely.

The advice I have for a beginner is, any average to gust wind speed range which has a 10kt delta should be approached with caution and with experienced buddies. More than 10kt delta, sit it out and take a few photos of your buddies, bide you time and build experience.


No its not. Its the truth. People die because they rig a kite that's too big for the conditions. It is the number one cause of kite death.
People do not die because they rigged a kite to small.

Now your advise above of suggesting a 12m because you can hold a 12m at 28 knots is not rigging for the lull. Its rigging for the max gust and is the same advice that I originally gave. Rig a kite that can withstand the max gust of the day.

montoya
VIC, 18 posts
1 Mar 2019 7:39PM
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raggedflyer said..

Plummet said:
If you rig for the lull and stuff up in the gust you die. It's that simple.

Most deaths are caused by people doing exactly this. Its stupid advice to give newbies even if its a joke.
Somebody could believe you, rig a 17m for the 14knot lull then proceed to get killed when the 28 gust comes through.

Don't be a dick man.
Think about the joking advice you give in the newbie section




Constructive criticism has it's place, this however is simply offensive and the doomsayer approach is not constructive, bordering on ridiculous.

Rig for the lull is a reasonable strategy, provided you understand the limitations of your equipment and your capability. A 12m kite may get you back to shore in 14kt and fully depowered in 28kt, also allowing you to get back to shore. Safely.

The advice I have for a beginner is, any average to gust wind speed range which has a 10kt delta should be approached with caution and with experienced buddies. More than 10kt delta, sit it out and take a few photos of your buddies, bide you time and build experience.


Thanks Raggedflyer. This was a very useful response. Exactly what i was after and easy to understand/ apply.

Everyone else - thanks also for your opinions. I'm happy to read diffferent perspectives.

raggedflyer
WA, 48 posts
1 Mar 2019 9:05PM
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You're welcome montoya, the online wind chart at my local shows the average and gust wind speed, so it's easy to see when those two lines are separated by 10kt or more. The conditions become difficult, with the gusts overpowering you and then you need to work the kite to keep going in the lulls. With experience you'll know which size kite to take out for the conditions at your local spot. If not at your local, introduce yourself and ask a local, you never know if you'll soon need their help!

Sometimes it's interesting to watch people new to a spot, they'll arrive and start running lines, pump a kite and gear up without taking 5-10 mins to observe conditions and local behaviours. I'll usually go say hi, have a chat and see if they've been here before, offer a launch even.

Here's an example from today, I was out on my 12m a the time where the gusts peaked just under 30kt. I noticed a few gusts had me letting go of the bar to sheet out and occasionally I needed a little trim/depower but most of the time wind speed was just right to leave the trim/depower fullly out. In the lulls I needed to work the kite to keep speed and full sheet out through the gusts. Had a beginner out, I helped him launch and he handled conditions ok on his 12m, I saw him get overpowered a couple of times, landing face first, but he'd get back up and go. For context, that's about a 7-8kt delta.


quikdrawMcgraw
1221 posts
2 Mar 2019 8:45AM
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How heavy are You?

If you don't mind me asking that is

quikdrawMcgraw
1221 posts
3 Mar 2019 12:57PM
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Did I offend or embarrass You?

quikdrawMcgraw
1221 posts
6 Mar 2019 6:27AM
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95+ kg ?

quikdrawMcgraw
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7 Mar 2019 5:53AM
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AquaPlow
QLD, 760 posts
7 Mar 2019 12:50PM
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quikdrawMcgraw said..
95+ kg ?


Montoya is a heavy weight AI - so about 180k lines of code
Cheers
AP

quikdrawMcgraw
1221 posts
10 Mar 2019 9:39AM
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I'm going to assume raggedflyer is a pretty big deal



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