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Show me new mutants or the latest "directional optimised TTs"

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Created by Plummet 29 days ago, 22 Apr 2019
Plummet
4426 posts
22 Apr 2019 3:56AM
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Hey men.

My mutant was stolen yesturday, Now i need to make a new one asap.

I have heard of mutants making a comeback being called things like "directional optimised TTs"

If you know of one please post it here. I need inspiration/ideas for my build asap.

Plummet
4426 posts
22 Apr 2019 4:14AM
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djdojo
VIC, 1511 posts
22 Apr 2019 11:30AM
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It's been discussed before but bears repeating - none of the current mutants have anything like the appropriate duck options on the front strap inserts. A few more inserts dear manufacturers - two natural and two goofy angles - it's not that hard.

max_ob
QLD, 165 posts
22 Apr 2019 7:02PM
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djdojo said..
It's been discussed before but bears repeating - none of the current mutants have anything like the appropriate duck options on the front strap inserts. A few more inserts dear manufacturers - two natural and two goofy angles - it's not that hard.


Cabrinha Tronic SS

KIT33R
NSW, 1646 posts
22 Apr 2019 7:26PM
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Axis Twin wave - had one for years and love it
www.axiskiteboarding.com/product/axis-2018-twin-wave-axis-kiteboarding-wave-tin-tip-kiteboard-kitesurfing-surfboard/









Plummet
4426 posts
23 Apr 2019 2:39AM
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Here's revision one of Plummet mutant V3.

I'm very interested in any thoughts, idea's you have.

Hey Kit33r, Whats the hole centers on those axis fins? 38mm. I like them and might try and fins some for my build,


Plummet
4426 posts
23 Apr 2019 3:09AM
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More boards to draw inspiration from

















Plummet
4426 posts
23 Apr 2019 3:23AM
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But wait, theres more!













LeighMajor
NSW, 276 posts
23 Apr 2019 6:55AM
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Who needs a mutant just get a Nomad Wave
Awesome both ways


Plummet
4426 posts
23 Apr 2019 6:28AM
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LeighMajor said..

Who needs a mutant just get a Nomad Wave
Awesome both ways




For bigger steeper waves. You need to be further back and need more nose rocker. Nomad wave would be really good in smaller washing machine stuff but the chance of buring the nose on a double head monster with a centered foot stance and lower rocker would be too high. Also the closer your rear foot is to the rear fins the more you turn tight like a surfboard. Its not as good as an sb, but its certainly better than a symetrical TT.

There's definitely a place for the mutant. That is in between the surf orientated TT and a surfboard.

Also when you optimize the location of the bindings/ fins you can get a board that is better on waves but not worse going in reverse. Soo,,,, in my mind there is very little need for a surf orientanted TT when you can have a mutant that does everything the TT does but can handle bigger surf days.

My just stolen mutant could handle any surf the guys on SB's could handle (much to their amasement). There was not one day that SB guys rode that i couldn't. The Surf TT not so much. There's definitely days you don't want to be TT-ing. Also there came a level of massive washing machine slop that the SB riders didnt enjoy but i have a blast on my mutant. Its to big for TT and too rough and unpredictable to SB. My mutant owned those conditions.

dazedhippi
QLD, 5 posts
23 Apr 2019 6:43PM
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KIT33R
NSW, 1646 posts
23 Apr 2019 7:21PM
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Hi Plummet. The fins are a standard TT spacing. I run Cabrinha fins (40mm) up front and Axis fins on the rear (3 x 80mm). The main difference with the Twin Wave is the rolled rail (similar to a surfboard rail). It allow a release when carving hard turns and contributes to a smooth exit in the turns without catching. I can drop my shoulder to the water in hard forehand turns and still maintain an edge. Note on my board are narrow surfboard straps and a simple deck pad - I don't like the soft TT pads, I get a harsher ride but better feel.

wishy
WA, 1356 posts
23 Apr 2019 6:57PM
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Does anyone in Perth demo the liquid force ones? They look sick.

cauncy
WA, 7138 posts
23 Apr 2019 9:10PM
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Best Directional TTs I've found


Plummet
4426 posts
24 Apr 2019 5:28AM
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cauncy said..
Best Directional TTs I've found



Got to watch out for the adams apple Cauncy,

Nathe
WA, 372 posts
24 Apr 2019 6:11AM
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wishy said..
Does anyone in Perth demo the liquid force ones? They look sick.


I'm riding the liquid force lunar lander at the moment. If you're ever in Mandurah you're welcome to have a crack

Plummet
4426 posts
24 Apr 2019 6:29AM
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Nathe said..

wishy said..
Does anyone in Perth demo the liquid force ones? They look sick.



I'm riding the liquid force lunar lander at the moment. If you're ever in Mandurah you're welcome to have a crack


Whats your review Nathe? good points, bad points?

Nathe
WA, 372 posts
24 Apr 2019 7:55AM
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Good points would be easy to ride backwards, real nice flex with just enough stiffness up the center for the fast drawn out turns, great amount of rocker for steep sections

bad points I'd probably change but not a deal breaker is move the wide point a touch forward and draw the rail out a bit more into the swallow.
The 50 mm fins work well but maybe a set of 80 mm for when the waves get a touch bigger or possibly an option to do a quad setup.
end of the day it's an absolute blast to ride and let's you put it into positions on waves where it'd be impossible to get a surfboard

LeighMajor
NSW, 276 posts
24 Apr 2019 4:18PM
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LeighMajor said..

Who needs a mutant just get a Nomad Wave
Awesome both ways







Yes plum if you have set your mutant up for your surf break,it's custom made for that spot.
The above Nomad is more general purpose and suits my size.
We are in the waves 95 % of the time rights or lefts various size depending on wind direction.
have to make another one.Great to have those skills.

Plummet
4426 posts
25 Apr 2019 2:03AM
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That's for the review Nathe, Some good points there.
Dazzed, That airush board is one strange ass board!
Leigh, Exactly!
That is the advantage of building your own board. To work narcissistically only for you.
Production boards have to make a compromise for the masses. On a side note if i was a board buy and not a builder i would buy a nomad board. They are the shizzle!

Surfer62
VIC, 1246 posts
26 Apr 2019 4:00PM
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Nathe said..


wishy said..
Does anyone in Perth demo the liquid force ones? They look sick.




I'm riding the liquid force lunar lander at the moment. If you're ever in Mandurah you're welcome to have a crack



Very happy with the LQ moon patrol, just 2 rear fins in no need for front fins, so loose under your feet, glides around into toeside stance. Jumps as good as a normal TT.





dazedhippi
QLD, 5 posts
27 Apr 2019 10:01AM
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Plummet said..
Here's revision one of Plummet mutant V3.

I'm very interested in any thoughts, idea's you have.

Hey Kit33r, Whats the hole centers on those axis fins? 38mm. I like them and might try and fins some for my build,



What about some shape in the rails like rounded just to complicate things

Plummet
4426 posts
27 Apr 2019 9:20AM
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I've pulled the tips in a bit to give a bit more shape in the rails. I'll be radiusing a micro surf rail throught the center to back.


Kamikuza
QLD, 3854 posts
27 Apr 2019 11:42AM
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Fat or thin rails? Going to go straps right onto the deck or footpads?

Plummet
4426 posts
27 Apr 2019 12:44PM
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Kamikuza said..
Fat or thin rails? Going to go straps right onto the deck or footpads?


Thin, fat rails! Foot pads, I don't jybe on the mutant.

decay
70 posts
27 Apr 2019 9:08PM
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On the machine right now, custom for local kite/sail maker.

145x44

Will end up with foil mounts too.



Plummet
4426 posts
29 Apr 2019 1:53AM
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That looks real nice Decay. Post up the finished article so we can see that too.

wishy
WA, 1356 posts
30 Apr 2019 5:00PM
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Are there any good articles explaining how you do the rails and stuff? In that photo above have you routed out the shape and then filled in the rails and finboxes with resin?

Kamikuza
QLD, 3854 posts
30 Apr 2019 7:46PM
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wishy said..
Are there any good articles explaining how you do the rails and stuff? In that photo above have you routed out the shape and then filled in the rails and finboxes with resin?


There's a whole sub forum at kitefoil.com. For regular TT it seems ABS rails are common, and seem simple enough. *Seem* simple

BeauB
QLD, 12 posts
1 May 2019 8:33PM
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wishy said..
Does anyone in Perth demo the liquid force ones? They look sick.


Jason and Sonya at West Oz Kiteboarding in Safety Bay stock Liquid Force.
They may have some of the hippie sticks available to demo.

Bazinga
QLD, 61 posts
3 May 2019 5:35AM
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I recently bought a 2nd hand Moon Patrol. I got bored swapping between my TT and surfboard 2 or 3 times per session.
Tested it back to back against my Shinn Monk 136x44. Initially it was a harder ride on the LF footpads and then I swapped the memory foam Shinn foot pads over and it was comparable to the Monk. After some playing around I set the feet position towards the rear as far as possible. Riding backwards is still effective but it does give a bit of spray if you don't keep your back leg loaded a bit. The Moon Patrol was marginally more power hungry. Boosting is good but it is more like riding a long rail up a wave face. Good fun in the waves but obviously being strapped you can't move about on the board like SB. Long story short......last 10 sessions I have only ridden this board, the Monk and surfboard have not wet.... I am loving it!



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